[Synapse elist] stupidity

Wed Apr 16 17:44:53 CST 2008

I was concerned about the ergonomics of the setup for the cockroach-it didn't look right to me. Also it also seemed to me that any sideways movements that the cockroach is obviously capable of making, the robot is not! Has the field of view of the cockroach's vision been taken into account or is this an anthropomorphism?

Ashley Holmes
CQU Mackay

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   1. Re: War in the Age of Intelligent Machines (Mari Velonaki)
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   3. Re: stupidity (Shuhei Miyashita)
   4. Re: stupidity (?kos Mar?y)

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:39:15 +1000
From: Mari Velonaki <m.velonaki at acfr.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [Synapse elist] War in the Age of Intelligent Machines
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Hello everyone,

How do i see this project? They are some things that we can do. This  
does not mean that we should do them..

Leave the cockroaches alone!

mari

On 14/04/2008, at 4:24 PM, Melinda Rackham wrote:

> hi all,
> great to see this discussion happening!
>
> Given that cockroaches will survive into the nuclear future, and
> seeing we are talking about intelligent machines..  how do you all
> see this project by Garnet Hertz?
>
> http://www.conceptlab.com/roachbot/
>
> "Cockroach Controlled Mobile Robot" is an experimental mechanism that
> uses a living Madagascan hissing cockroach atop a modified trackball
> to control a three-wheeled robot. If the cockroach moves left, the
> robot moves left. Infrared sensors also provide navigation feedback
> to the cockroach, striving to create a pseudo-intelligent system with
> the cockroach as the CPU.
>
>
> warm regards,
> Melinda
>
> ++++++++++++
> Dr Melinda Rackham
> Executive Director
> Australian Network for Art and Technology
> +61 (0)8 8231 9037
> +61 (0)410 596 592
> http://www.anat.org.au
> director at anat.org.au
>

Dr Mari Velonaki
Media art & Interface design

Centre for Social Robotics
Australian Centre for Field Robotics
ARC Centre of Excellence in Autonomous Systems
The Rose Street Building  J04
The University of Sydney  2006, Australia
  www.acfr.usyd.edu.au
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:17:42 +0100
From: Leonel Moura <leonel.moura at mail.telepac.pt>
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Although robot/animal symbiosis it is an interesting field to explore 
it raises many ethical questions. But the main problem is plain 
stupidity. As we know, especially in the field of art, stupidity is 
many times broadcast by artists and curators as a witty idea.

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:34:11 +0200
From: Shuhei Miyashita <miya at ifi.uzh.ch>
Subject: Re: [Synapse elist] stupidity
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I think inputs from the field cyborg gives us good suggestion to the 
cockroach research.
The approach of cyborg (I think) can be categorized into either 
replacement or enhancement(1).
And speaking of the replacement, it replaces a part of a machine by 
living things(2), or part of living things by machine(3).

(1) military products, intelligent watch, power suits
(2) cockroach robot
(3) prosthetic hand, artificial organ

I feel the border between life and machine becomes blurry
(also enhanced by IPS cell research) and people gradually
loose the confidence being as human.
I even feel comfortable when I see paintings coming from
renaissance era, compare to some painted recently.

Although these technologies seem to be developed recently, the concepts 
itself have existed since long time ago.
Shoes, clothes (1), honey bee or silkworm, spy pigeon (2).
We might not have to be worried so much about the recent outcomes in 
this field.

Shuhei

Leonel Moura wrote:
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> Although robot/animal symbiosis it is an interesting field to explore
> it raises many ethical questions. But the main problem is plain
> stupidity. As we know, especially in the field of art, stupidity is
> many times broadcast by artists and curators as a witty idea.
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:52:17 +0200
From: ?kos Mar?y <akos at maroy.hu>
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Shuhei Miyashita wrote:
> I feel the border between life and machine becomes blurry
> (also enhanced by IPS cell research) and people gradually
> loose the confidence being as human.

but then again, why do you lose confidence? are you less human with 
eyeglasses on? are you less human with a tooth filling? are you less 
human with a pacemaker? with a knee implant? artificial heart valve?

the above are all routine today... yes, they all make you a cyborg.

Akos

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